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he said in the last day it would be deception. today we live in this deception. here's the problem. he left his father abraham and as he left his father he became
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angry and he took his father and he became jealous against his brother. therefore he went after his mother and from worship the god of egypt. when he separated from his dad, a new birth took place and that became the spirit of the darkness to separate men and women from the true living god, and we became angry and kept going further and further indicated our brothers. today we are all fighting from spirit and we hate the sons and daughters of the living god. this is where i was before.
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in the books on 339312 and the word of god says he spoke in the reston, london stood fast he brings the council of the nation to nothing. he makes the plan of the people of no effect the council of the lord forever. the plan of his heart to all generations blessed is the nation whose god is the lord, the people he chooses and his own inheritance. the book of isaiah 49 and 23, the word of god declares kings and queens would serve and care for you and about the earth before lifting from your feet. then you would know that i am a lawyer. those that trust in me would never be put to shame. the word of god deuteronomy says
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that dhaka saturday to head to carry the ark of the covenant for two purposes. the first one is to worship before the lords and the second is to bless the people in his name. it was the presence of the lord that less is rell. today we left our hopes and everything and started racing after maine and chose a kaine instead of choosing the king of kings. we lost the presence in our nation of the most holy god and now we are in trouble he returns and calls for the ark of the covenant to come on on the us the law of the lord is a must. [applause]
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i am not a reporter. i'm not the one that speculates about news anchors or whoever thinks this is what is the bunning were this is what is going on. i'm going to tell you my story in a not shell. my grandfather came in 1924 as a general. year and by the sword of islam. i was born to a ms. luft mother and told me when you kill jews and christians we celebrate your glory before while wall of allah i dreamed about killing jews and christians. this is my dream as a child. from there, we can out with recruiting at a young age as many children start attending the mosque in a neighborhood by the muslim brotherhood. the muslim brotherhood can to history in 1928.
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there is a place world order under allah to establish what is called the new dawn of islam indoctrinated of them by the mosque that was my college study and what infiltrates the civilization and becomes a part of the nation and changed the nation from inside. how to marry your daughters and a team that citizenship and the member so we can get the citizenship how to become a part of this world and come across the borders to infiltrate your very civilization today. from there they joined the first
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master was yasir arafat. under him with the help with my muslim brothers we were young to give them explosives my first mission was very, very good. you see, they didn't think that children could do such a thing. we took advantage of them. the second journey as a recruiter ivies recruited my next-door neighbor and told his mom i will bring him back home alive. i made a promise. but that day they were waiting for us. this is when the blood of children was mixed together as we were trying to run so they could put these belts on the belly of the ship and take them inside israel. that day they shot us with
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everything and he fell down to the ground. i carried him and i'm trying how my guinn to tell his mom? when his mom talked to me he said where is mohammed? i said he is with allah celebrating in a host of heaven. now he can go to paradise without judgment because he became for given as a messiah. he is being led by allah and with every version there are 72 other versions. mohammed is in a good place. she put her hands to her lips and shouted with a shout. she celebrated her son's wedding into the heavens. everybody came to bring gifts the second day. from their my life started changing. i started working for whoever
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paid the best to advance islamist. saddam hussein pays better money than anybody else. he was very generous until i met like a father to me. in the desert over there they would send a host of training camps. these training camps for trimming socialist terrorists from irish republic, what ever from all over the world. we would train them how to kill him how to establish civilization jihad, how to start. this is what they were doing. this was my resume, and i am only a teenager now. i should be an ambassador i guess. they recruited me and now going somewhere with the saudis and took me to this place and paying
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good money case in debt for the civilization jihad. in europe they were changing the culture around the clock. they can to understand that they have no passion for their own people so they sent the first report when i send it i said the nation will fall soon. from there i was sent to teach the mujahideen. they killed the soldiers and syria and we sold 300 took them by the print from the print of saudi arabia and from iraq between iraq and kuwait and sailed all the way to pakista from there we went to kandahar and torre borat. this is the first time when i met the american cia and my
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first support after i met them i said we are about to lose this war. the american people here are fighting for islam to live their life and death and they are not afraid to set this nation free they are setting from the event of tierney. they said i can to the united states of america for this purpose and when i can give to the united states they established as a position she ought. it was against israel and the usa our goal is to destroy them both. but i had a story of god of heaven and earth had a different story for me. [applause]
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when we can to the united states universities and colleges sending children where the playground we receive them and change them. we turn them against you. we met the professor and were helping the professors to establish purposely to change the world from within. we're changing the children to hate your nation with everything they've got with the money that he raised them with. while your children heed to the rules, america's left. i was on the bible belt and while i was doing this i met three men. they were christians and be want to the christian businessmen in group and took me to their homes
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and said i don't have insurance or anything to retire was introduced first on the word of god, and it was in the umar the word of god, you are the living god that blocks before humankind, mankind, and if you don't speak the rock will cry out. [applause] i saw the treatment of the husband and his wife. he was a surgeon and his wife said go clean the bathroom, honey. >> where is the ajax, baby? [laughter] there's something wrong with him. act like one. he treated his wife like a queen in my country you could have four or 16 more on the side and if my wife dishonored me i had the right to kill her.
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women are nothing. their second citizens. but here the women teach their husbands to clean the bathroom. what if she gets sick and came home and these people put her in the hospital and pray over her. she got up and she became the steward. what kind of trouble you have here? [applause] my god doesn't speak. the only thing you can help is by serving him and he will not serve you. he came to serve you and not fully deutsch to serve him. i came for the first time to know that your daughter and my
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god or two different entities, the god almighty one of ms. bald and one of them is not. [applause] here's what happened in their home and started discovering that nobody comes from your bible your values come from your bible, in your constitution comes from the bible. everything by the bible. the american flag means a lot to me, those who gave me freedom and today i live in that liberty and nobody tells me how to live my life including barack obama.
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[cheering] connect to god be the glory. you see i was introduced something called unconditional love. in my world, we don't know what unconditional love is. everything is conditional. today you are my friends. i have the full right to kill you tomorrow. we could go to the battle to malveaux but if you cross to the other side i have the right to kill you. here it says if somebody hits you on one side go on the other. i'm not doing that. what's wrong with your people? it's called a fist it's the power of forgiveness.
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your relationship how you have a relationship with god we don't have a relationship. you're god speaks to you day and night and comes before you and makes every crooked way straight and he has a protection and around you and nothing shall harm you because all i am god almighty. [applause] one day they bought me a new car and said go home you're feeling better. i said can i stay a couple more months? i'm not feeling well. [laughter] face that you can go home. i became the baby sitter for them. yes. when i went to my home for the first time i fell on my knees and i was looking the eastern window and i talked to my god.
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why have you done such a thing to me? i'm willing to die for you but you put me among christians. they are crazy. they don't know what's going to hit them yet. but the talk to their god and he answers them. i want to hear your voice, too. if you love me, speak to me. guess what allah said. nada. that's spanish for no. [laughter] when he didn't say anything i decided to put the gun in my mouth and finish my story because if i went back they would do it. if i go to my brothers and sisters they would do it, even my mom and dad. then what happened is i decided to kill myself and the lord god spoke to me for the first time and when i spoke to him he asked me to pray with him in the name of father abraham and jacob and he answered and showed up and your god is alive and he's not dead and he is still in the business of bringing people to the living god and these people
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are alive today. [applause] how do you change a terrorist? introduce him to jesus. [applause] by the blood of a lamb and the word of their testimony. testify, tell a story. now, there are only two nations in the world with covenant, the history of mankind. israel and the united states of america to do blessings for the nation you are the city on the hill and you are exceptional, the breadbasket of little when we were hungry you send us food to eat. you send your military to die for us graveyard's over the middle east and africa and every continent american soldiers said we can, we saw coming you got freedom and today we are all
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live to give you that freedom to read the testify with their vast dust. [applause] american soldiers that served in the that have not served i salute you and in the name of the high god because you are our hero. [applause] in islam that policy is new surrender. you see, it is the status on the president bells before the king of islam we've now five times a day that is what we used to do
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and that is under his authority. when we surrender to that authority and apologize to everybody and is one that is a victory and that is the start of the march now to take over the land come to go from your country and fulfill your purpose and become a united islamic nation. this is what happened. during the united states of america with hillary and her staff they are about to introduce the end resolution 1618 the heat crime bill to be arrested and put to jail and the churches and synagogues shut down and go underground, and if they were put in jail they would be fined big time and to break the first amendment at the second amendment. this is about to be cut as early
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as january. as early may diaz march. right now it is on the table to be put together. we have something to fight for and that fight is for our children for the liberty and freedom for the future and the nation. [applause] in the last few weeks the president any will egypt to have the submarines to control against israel you only give it to your friends like israel. he supported them with $3 billion forgave them $1 billion. it's on the house. we don't have jobs but go ahead and prosper. here he promised to give the
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missiles and he turned his back against them. he changed his mind on this but he wanted one piece but our president said i don't have time for peace. mont your head together. they can control the region. the black flag that you see on tv i want to teach you on this is a muslim brotherhood flag. there are white and black. you are at war the u.s. command march up womack. the white one is peace and they haven't declared peace. they have yellow and green and that is a different story.
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it's mixed private. it will just confuse you more. here is why have to say and i want to finish with this because i brought time and now they're looking at me like they're charging you. it says yes there is a time for everything under the heavens, to be born and die. carroll and he'll, tear down, read the last one coming and it goes on and on it turns to warlike and peace. it's to march to the street and vote and to start setting people
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free. the people we vote for choose the kingdom of heaven we were told everybody over us to the ground because the word of god says and now our servants must render to us what we call them to do america. this is time to wake up because the time is upon you. tomorrow i have a breakout session and i will answer a lot of questions to talk deeper and deeper into this.
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i'm proud to find it in the bill of material to answer. god bless you and god bless the united states of america. [applause] okay, everybody we are about to adjourn the afternoon session. but first the highlight of the afternoon my closing announcements. are you ready. if we have book signing opportunities there you see them
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yesterday the libyan ambassador to the u.s. paid tribute to ambassador christopher stevens one of the four americans killed tuesday in a tax on the u.s. consulate in ben zazi. he said it was too early to say who organized the attacks suggesting it could have been islamist extremist groups or loyalists to the former leaders. his remarks followed the panel discussion. >> i am a senior fellow at the council i see so many friends.
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i read like to welcome all of you to this event at the quest for democracy organized by the center for the middle east in the united states. welcoming speakers for the director in libya and who spent a long time studying and the professor emeritus of the school on the studies in the university he has many accomplishments and has written many books but flumes the largest achievement as many ph.d. students.
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he said his apology he won't be liable to attend this conference because of the tragic events of the public messaging on the security situation in libya would be handled by the office of the secretary said he cannot come. we had intended this event for the situation of libya. a discussion of the possible solutions of what has gone on on the ground on the security situation and the academic meeting inviting all of your to express'.
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and the tragic events of the the situation on the ground and is expected. i did not know three of the four americans murdered yesterday the day before yesterday but had the pleasure to meet chris stevens and to get to know him long enough to make me wish i had the time to call him my friend and the level straightforward person as he is unforgivable and he loved libya in the past few months many libyans met him and many have expressed his sympathies, friendship. but much more. the person that believes in the
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equality to get us closer not further. freedom is a universal value. he should be aware of this. this is the legacy i invite you all to honor him and i would ask you to take a moment of silence to honor the ambassador and his all in colleagues and their family and friends. >> because of the change in the panel what we will do is present a few points regarding the brave
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and we will work together to express your points of view. as i said there is the believe of something different and why libya had this we were on two different levels. deinze democratically elected institutions in a transparent with proceeding and a voting. but there's an increasing lack of security or problem and that
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is the tragic event the we did not point out. he had been killed and benghazi by a strange jihadists group that changed his name to something else. when they proceeded to a rest most of them later on they exist in libya and haven't been in the number of times now they're hundreds of thousands. where they come from would have allowed them to proceed that the point that the presence of the council the general himself and the military had come out.
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many other issues, the statement where they said the length of the activities and the former members of the regime and to the security forces. the defense of security after the point of what has happened on tuesday. not only was the action a -- it was called into action and he went of flour and was not prepared. we should dig deeper. it touched me personally.
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i started thinking and in thinking i went back -- i think that there are two things that we have committed. the first one is that history should have told us something and go back to when libya was formed in the 1950's and he addressed his father in the 2000 nationals which remain in my mind the state of not exchange. do not think that because they are not going to accept the compromise the issue was
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accepted. they want to go to the republican and he convinced them to accept and i feel this is something again that has happened not recognizing the need of the united nations to be formed to go after the point to ask for it. the second one comes from an important look for the vitriol of the intellectual. i was astonished at myself for
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stovall in march and february of this year and then in the program they presented the picture of the evolution that was modern of libya and everything was supposed to be done nicely and present to the narrative that we all expected, the narrative of the people that revolved and in and of itself was of his own simple militia and state power. i saw this at the time and i think now they face the reality that is not true.
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without the help of the europeans it would not be possible, and they were other libyan sympathizers in the regime and the minority may be that they were there and they had the flow of many countries whomever after the civil war the great integration and thinking about what is there, what is the history, what has happened? doing about has been done not recognizing that it was a smaller scale let us not to think about what to do a lot of these into the national process of the country and the human
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rights watch and others announce more and more. all of this and also coming up now behind the staff lead at to the courage that other countries had to start the plan of the national reconciliation that it needed. it's a reflection about the narrative is and that is the only way in my opinion to reconcile to have the institution proceed with strength, with foundations to what we call the space development otherwise i'm sure the constitution making.
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i don't have much more than this to add at the moment. [inaudible] there is not always telling the whole part of the development of islam there are criminals acting in the reports of the european countries denouncing coming from which is just beginning to see what is happening. [inaudible] the whole event that happened is
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lost and in the age of undertaking by the new government before. thank you very much. [applause] >> good afternoon everybody. thank you force your presentation and the invitation. i want to thank you and reflect elbe legacy of the late ambassador stevens. his tragic death and the killing of other u.s. officers has been extremely hard on not only the
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american people but the libyan people as well. the libyan american community between the two is morning at as well his loss and we pray for his family and for his friends, and we hope that the legacy of the investor is to continue. we must remain resolved to continue the good work he has started and the achievement of the outcome that is democratically ruled while with human rights and human dignity going to be the best that we could get to the great men and to his life. two weeks ago i was in libya and sure enough, the discussion centered mainly around the issue of security because of its importance. we were there when the
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demolition was taking place. and before that there were other ports. so he was concerned and we wanted to share that estimate of what does that mean that is one of the major deficits that we have in assessing how serious these turn of events that were taking place. today we mourn his loss that as i said we will remain to continue his good work libya and the united states. i think when we address the security challenge and i think that they were very perceptive and accepting this as one of the major issues is not the major issue of the time in libya today
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as i stalled the libyan congress and met with officials told a sense of pride that is the space process developed in libya. make no mistake about that. the looming upset of the real security and the danger of the inaction in the phase of these repeated events that were taking place with a government that although has tried hard to manage the pos revolution transition have in fact failed in some ways to be so active and to address these issues in the difficult circumstances that they were in. and to top it all off was the fact that some were in fact condoned by some elements in the
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security forces the one being developed by the government cannot by the government necessarily that the magnitude and the complexity and the seriousness of the problem. so one of the most important things we must do when we address the security and libya is to first recognize it is a multifaceted problem, is complex and interconnected. and until and unless we are able to reduce it and identify its components and develop the necessary strategy to mitigate the threat or the danger that comes we will always remain unable to address the components of the problem and the second thing i want this developing the revolution and then over the pos
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revolution but we have very yet to the cadet to make the assessments and the information about the components that are positive. how many of the security forces. what were these factions. how many do we really have. on the western side we have to hire security commitments and in the east we have the joint chiefs of staff of lydia and then in between i have met some scholars on the ground who are doing some very good but we should connect with and use their expertise, their local expertise to be appalled to explore that data to be a will to move forward so these things
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are paramount for us to do. but to take back the first point which is how we break up the problem to lay a good handle this problem i think we look at the components of this threat and it is high time for us to start defining it. there's a growth of the violent extremism that needs to be addressed in this revolution in libya. there is a real threat that the bill loyalist's present to the country having people bent on undermining the revolution or there are people that are building day after day and week after week and then they treated the critical mass that is
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necessary to take them into the circle of violence and they certainly have and the forces that can undermine the very country that we are in. there's our existing threat of the border, the emigration, but illegal smothering, the drugs and all of the conflicts that come from that but it is a basic state problem that is not necessarily particular to libya but they have long borders and very difficult jobs. so is becoming a big problem is happening in the south is practically under nobody's control. there are the regions in the south that are at a state they could go either way because of these problems and then the
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problem of the rebels and the aftermath of the revolution and those are not to be ignored just as the simple fact for the revolution these are young men who are in the hundreds of thousands who have access to very significant weapons which can be very dangerous so they have to be very serious plans put in place to mitigate the potential troubles that come from this problem. once you identify the threats you are able to set up a better strategy to deal with it. each one of them requires a very sophisticated strategy that deals with the intricacies and the local flavor of the conflict. the violent extremism unfortunately has supported by the degree bridget intellectual movement that is present in the
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country. and those that we need to rally the scores of the country and the advocates of modern ideology, and we need to engage in very robust debates about libya and the role as a society and be respectful certainly of the conservative nature of the society, and the people that advocated it. but we cannot leave a siege for violence. there has to be robust national reconciliation process we can no longer discerned a problem coming and we need to address the concerns. but once again, this has to be a difficult process. it has to be raised from within. that is why i believe we have to have a role. there is a local council that has to have their role. the folks that have been affected to solve the problem, and to get the opportunity to
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develop, you know, the greatest need so that we can overcome some of these dillinger is. and i think that goal is to the third point i want to make which is once we have taken active steps such as the national reconciliation and develop the institutions necessary, we must have our eyes on the development of the country. the reconstruction and the rebuilding of libya which may be secondary for security at this point, the net we are able to get a handle mess, we must take in the opportunities and the development but will use and love for the components of developing this threat of security from the educational opportunity as economic upturn of the community. if we understand the nature of the threats, reduce the minister of addressing them with very
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significant and effective strategies and at the same time that the process announced the opportunity to develop i think we can salvage indeed and we can take it back on the right track and do the best we can do as we remember. thank you very much. [applause] >> i've been demoted from the position of moderator to discussing a participant in this discussion and in addition i am filling or not filling officially the spot of the dod and giving an official comment, in a very awkward positions we hope that you will bear with me. but as a good academic i don't speak for anybody but myself, and sometimes i've got that.
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[laughter] and we are faced with a sharpness and fuzziness. we are faced with sharpness because we have a fence in front of us and we are faced with fuzziness because it often involves contradictions and uncertainties that we have to use in order to [inaudible] i would like to make remarks that might add to the fuzziness and also point out the situation in which we find ourselves. first ball. we avoid the generalization we need the generalizations. there are things that have happened before and even libya
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is the generalization like the word revolution for the russian and islamic and the generalizations cover the divisions of the distinctions the distinctions that one has to focus on in order not to drive down an understanding of the situation with the broad generalizations so it's easy to say that libya is or the muslims did that or the as polis and so on, and we know it to ourselves and our own clear thinking and to the world that listens to us to avoid the kind of thing, to avoid the traps. second of all, it's been
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mentioned by the speakers replaced on the situation where we have the contradictory or counteracting policies and goals we have to take into account reconciliation and security. security is the heart answer. reconciliation is the soft and long-term answer. we don't affect the reconciliation and short-term. it takes a lot of longtime work just like the development. security requires the response and often runs up against those people -- and i still coming across? is something happening? against those people that are trying to reconcile. there are situations that are beyond reconciliation so we are talking to the extremist groups that want to say if they share common goals and things like that we welcome all the same and
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so on that falls on deaf ears. .. we need to reconciliate -- reach out to other groups, other
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people who identify themselves in different ways than we do. and third, just as a general statement i think american policy, american people in general are used to the attitude toward foreign affairs that we roll up our sleeves and get in and put it in order and go home. everything is set. we did this most recently in iraq. we did it -- the idea comes up out of world war i go further and as previous speakers have noted it is important to keeping gauge in the situation in libya to help libyans. here is the tension. help libyans in such a way that we are helping their responsibility, their ability to deal with their own affairs so this means backing them up
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without taking leave, providing possibilities, capabilities of doing both the reconciliation and the security that is needed in the situation of this kind. we rejoice at what has happened in libya with the elections and the extremists were beaten. extremists are usually beaten in elections and so we clap our hands and say there it goes. there is an element where democracy has come forward. we should know from our own history and it is shocking sometimes when you read it in the early years, and it is bumpy and we shouldn't simply be taken by the idea that elections -- how often do we repeat this to
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our own education, elections are not the end of the process but that we have to continue to work with what the ecb elections have set up to move forward. finally it is important for the government's -- for libya to take its own responsibilities and that includes security for the people working with the sand whose health they enjoy. so the government itself needs to be strengthened. there is often the comment that the government is in an early position, in a weak position and therefore one can expect this to live up to its responsibilities as needed. we know from olympic training that taking action, strengthening rather than
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weakening so that we have a government that is just starting. it can allow its initial position to be an excuse for not taking action. it needs to take action and i am talking about the broader situation such as declaration of governments in tunisia and egypt. the kinds of values of security and reconciliation that it still proclaims and that we share. [applause] >> if anyone wants to be savage, let's get going. please, i forgot. >> i am a professor at johns
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hopkins. i have read and heard you several times talk about the importance of reconciliation but i am not sure what you propose to be done. i wonder if you could take us -- if you were in power what would you do tomorrow? >> that is a scary thought. i think another -- the example i would take is the possibility to -- a committee for starters of former members of the regime and distinguish those not feeling guilty of assassinating themselves from those who are simply members of an ideological
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group, those functioning or collaborated or the government or not directly involved. the possibilities of their expertise, capability to the government and then people would be incorporated into the national building society. the best example is to do that with the coordination of 99 and something like that where you allow anybody to come back and then judgment of committed crimes. that is the best way to have reconciliation and justice at the same time. libya -- a small society and
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everybody knows -- and having the womb. [talking over each other] >> you wrote in your paper about the international community. that is a very important point in the sense that there are figures that can be very helpful. more to the point we need to make sure we also incorporate the strength of the basic society in libya in order to allow robust reconciliation process. one thing we have seen is the role of -- addressing some of these issues and making it something that is able to address difficult problems that we are unable to address to be done intellectually on the basis of ideas or respect for
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tradition based on these things we can resolve a lot of these problems. in addition to having an attractive legal system that will deliver justice in areas where reconciliation is not an option but resorting to a legal system. >> i am happy about the election, when he came here -- the team who lived down -- i don't know if you remember, starting from the bottom, built up with the national assembly and the legitimacy much higher than the way the election was designed and would have done differently. and other people would work for this kind of enterprise and i am
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optimistic. >> thank you. i am with the u.s. libya business association. as we saw with the election, what is in your opinion his mandate and his ability to implement more international cooperation as libya solve these problems? we saw over the last several months, we have gotten various international groups have gotten to a certain point and hit a wall with the national transition council as far as implementing cooperative programs whether it is embedding advisers in to the finance ministry or providing some sort of international support force to help in libya. do you think this national congress as you said, doctor in omeish, are they ready to move
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to the next step in international cooperation? >> thank you. i think the number one thing is what you mentioned. this is the first government that is appointed, chosen from an elected body. that gives it a sense of legitimacy that is different from its predecessor although it is a continuation of the previous government in action. limitation will be in the fact that it is short. it is a year and a half and the other is that it is inherent in all of the buildup of problems from the previous government. having discussions -- their discussion is we need to become
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more of an emergency government, the first few months be able to address major issues of security and things along those lines and that unfortunately will undo what i was hopeful to see which is stability enough for international -- allow the development to begin. what happened with the previous government, try to get real initiatives on the ground because they could be held responsible, and the mandate of keeping everything on track. more looking forward. and the past nine month, we didn't move forward. we had that gusto but the limited by the magnitude that is
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still there. >> something changed it. >> depends on what is going on. they have been deluding themselves that they're going to go and security will be solved. nothing has been done. now they come out. i am sure from what i know from history and terrorism they don't stop. it will continue. be sure that this kind of behavior will continue and they go to the american ambassador and other targets. something has dramatically changed. and they have to change -- is
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imperative that they be taken. >> yes, sir? >> thank you. the foreign service institute. one of the challenges given the situation with what just happened, it seems to me one possible danger, this is something terrorists are always looking for is overreaction. one of the inherent problems is if the response is too much on the security side no matter how necessary a more robust security response is, it leads to so many problems down the line like
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increasing reliance on security in the problems. given the history in a place like libya it is the regional problem but much beyond libya, reliance on security, on the intelligence service and those solutions to problems, legitimate problems but relying on those solutions has historically been done. one of the problems you are thinking about is how to help libya moving forward is how to provide solutions that still hold back that kind of institutional outcome that leads to increasing reliance on intelligence service and security as the first solution rather than the second. you need reconciliation and so on. isn't this one of the real dangers a moment like this poses where the international community in particular certainly for us and i am part of the state department that the
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response -- increasing turn towards security as a solution. how do you prevent that at this point? >> there has to be a short-term and long-term answer. this is the only way to defeat terrorism the take water from the lake or diminish the consensus. all these initiatives we have been talking about, opening this system which includes these solutions and you need to have -- it needs to be done with the police security intelligence forces and if you cannot afford -- fills over into terrorism,
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there is affirmative action and cannot do it and the most important thing is to identify this phenomena in. let me tell you one thing. libya is different from the rest of the country's. we do not suffer on the american scene. it has been said many times when we went to the country that -- it has been proved by the only poll that was taken a few months ago that shows -- let us not suffer from this. weather because it is behind shading and support this. the country has -- the most
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recognized shouldn't have happened. different from other parts of the arab world. another thing we think about is it is not time to make it whole and a vision -- you got to learn country by country sector or zone by zone and able to get out of the cold war mentality. is multilayered and to give an example. on certain issues, you need to have a different -- terrorism, they have to be treated and i don't think there could be an overreaction. >> to add to that a stock answer and then i leave the
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implementation up to the answer to dan's question, you create the impression you are not living in a security atmosphere. that you are living in an open reconciliation atmosphere and security is definitely there but does its job quietly. it is easy for security to do their job quietly and efficiently. of the situation. i think you set the balance and the kind of atmosphere in which you operate and you cause the implements to live up to that kind of atmosphere you are not letting security concerns overcome overtly the nature of the situation in which we find
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ourselves. i can throw in i am a little perplexed that the presence of two destroyers off of libya. maybe somebody can tell me what they're doing their but it doesn't seem to be an appropriate response and a response that raises the problems you are listing. >> i was hoping speakers and our libyan guests in the audience might address specifically how the response to this incident particularly eastern libya from security and political perspective by libyan authority or by the united states might impact the broader questions we
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find ourselves asking about except for transition especially the revolution of tensions between eastern libya and fear about overcentralization of power and the cheri a question and how might action have been at least ambiguously present at the event. how might they respond by libya or the united states and how will that still in to the political fault line. >> there is no easy answer and it won't be a right or wrong answer. you need leadership with political will for actions that will bring forth a results. that was the question before.
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and lack of a clear effective response to the terrorist attack that has taken place on libyans oil two days ago will only add to the gravity of the reception and problems rampant in the issue of security in libya which is a weak government that is unable to address the attacks of such magnitude. to me it becomes very important for that tappan within the next few days. with a new prime minister coming on and the mandate from the people and an atmosphere of reassurance from the government to take action. the nature of that action needs to be calibrated because it is very critically looked upon by
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all parties involved. the rallying cry of those attacking us -- if it is not it might not be effective. like i said there are no easy answers but i would say given the state -- it has to be swift and it has to be limited in scope and has to be able to give the government the authority it needs. back to the other question. the dynamics that will have an impact on what comes next, how america can be viewed and how this partnership can be developed further in on security non-military ways and things like this is going to be very sensitive to a lot of other dynamics but it has to be part of a greater vision on how we will proceed on other issues as well. we need to address the critical
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matters without worrying too much about that but at the same time be vigilant about how we develop the next search based on the dynamics that develop. >> the debate will be carried on. you mention the issue that will be debated. any guarantee of strong government, the reconstruction process capable of delivering. the debate can take place -- it definitely is a collection -- we are not even wasting -- there will be no time to do that. >> the highest number of votes in the libyan parliament caught me by surprise immediately after. it said benghazi, you are going to go back. and advocate for benghazi --
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from that light, where now that will be the trouble and we won't forget about it. there are plenty--not the least is all the others. >> do we need to set up? >> just a couple of points i would like to raise here. the issue of security. i have seen over the last almost three years that there's a difference between security in libya and europeans and americans and others evaluate the situation. if you look at libya in the prism through the eyes and
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experience of afghanistan, iraq and somalia, much better than the country is stable. not any more about the last few days, a couple days. so i think at the political level, affected how some of those who were thinking about how to deal with libya to be relaxed and that is why these events took some of us by surprise. we had to change that. libyans don't like to compare themselves to somalia. the demand of what they want to see of the country and security is completely different. they are looking at a country that should be like dubai or stable like the gulf countries for a look northward more than out word or to the west. this is one point.
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the other point we have to be careful about what happened is they end up having to deal with a shift. we usually do that here. when we have happy democracy talking about promoting democracy then something tragic happens and the mood changes from democracy to security and we completely forget promoting democracy in a civil society and trying to implement what we like other countries to be to become very alert about the issues of security. and that shift can lead us even to the point that happened in the past of supporting dictators. totalitarian leaders. warlords. the sky is the limit when you
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try to think about in terms of security. this is another thing to worry about. ultimately we have to help the libyan government understand that they need to take action and these actions impact security and stability of the country. a country with a new government and help guiding it without the initiative to do things will be the key in the future. thank you. >> thank you. it is called strategy of tension in counterterrorism theory. you create tension and people are happy if someone takes power and give everyone takes power and european countries -- somebody else.
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any other questions? you there. >> thank you for your presentation. very enlightening. i think -- >> identify yourself. >> i am dan, a research associate at csi s. one of the things that has been highlighted is balance between development and security and we talk about security being the first priority and development and reconciliation being the second priority but i wonder if it is helpful to discuss the particular benchmarks that need to be hit on the security front before you think the transition can be made to dealing more seriously with development and reconciliation. there are development organizations. everything as large -- on the ground as it is in tripoli down
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to small ngos doing work currently but you are talking about a more serious broadbased effort toward development and reconciliation. i wonder what benchmarks need to be hit on the security side and how you would achieve those benchmarks. or reach those benchmarks before dealing with development issues. >> i am going to give two comments i heard. one from the minister of electricity who was running to be a prime minister involved. he said in the last month -- coming in to libya to do major work as part of the development plan and a day before or two days before this was two weeks ago, they called and they said they would not be coming from libya. they're going to come at the end of september to reassess the security situation for their plans. the second comment was from the
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minister of defence who said part of my challenge in performing my duties as a defense minister is the fact that key defense installations in the country are controlled by people i have no say over. to me, i go back to it is very hard for us to make security become the dominant issue in a country where we are racing with time to institute democratization and certainly bring development which will sustain this into the future but unfortunately we have lost the honeymoon which was nine months after the transition where strong policies could have been put into place to do this. back to your benchmark. there has to be respect of the state itself.
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whether that manifests itself in the official's ability to affect decisions that they do, address conflicts that may arise. the second is building a security forces that say you have numbers that are effective of being deployed and utilizing resources to make sure it happens on the ground. not wait until your trainees come back from where they are for six months. you are talking about a problem. third is a reflection of these folks, minister statements that key installations -- we heard about the airport going back and forth. the key installations are under state control. fourth is the ability to safeguard the partners and the folks underground. until yesterday two days ago,
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our confidence in benghazi was guarded by folks who reported they could have been in some ways completed or they would be rail from their duties or things. >> we can certainly put numbers to it and we can put more accurate figures to et and i would push folks like my interior minister and the defense minister to give me those benchmarks and i should mention those benchmarks but i don't think they did this in the last several months and that is why we find ourselves in this. we need to move quickly in the other two aspects of democratization. >> question? [talking over each other] >> new weapons -- >> in your question there are
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two things that troubled me. the intention i talked about which is priority. i think we have to recognize these forces in security look above all at derailing measures of development on welfare -- the government might -- and it is important to stay on track in development policy. obviously you can't do things and get to -- the idea of waiting for development until changes -- benchmarks have been matched,et, i think goes back t attitude -- seeing the overthrow of the old regime facing in the
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short-term election challenges that will hang not on identity or security but on how well they answer the welfare question, jobs and employment question. impossible questions but burning questions in the upcoming election. it is important to move ahead on those fronts in that kind of governmental stability to be carried out all the while doing what you were talking about trying to get across security hurdles. >> i am a libyan american at the world banks. trying to impact libyans the getty thinking through two fundamental problems about how this new government or even the previous one can deal with the security dimension. it is obvious to me in meeting
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with a lot of ministers that they don't have the tools to actually impact policy. you can be a minister and issue all the right for this or all the right policies but you don't have capacity within your ministry to carry that out. that includes the defense and internal -- one is really the school for government. i don't see that being solved within the libyan context as it is today because history teaches us there has never been a country where the state has collapsed to this extent and you have to build it from scratch and where you have armed and unarmed groups and some how they were able to do it on their own. history have always proven conflict situation always an outside force either the u.s.
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tests -- un or an occupying force. so far talking about the security issue. political dimension of elections for having transparent questioning of the prime minister and so on is going well but that is just in television. you can't have a government in television. when the streets are being controlled by different groups. what happened yesterday to our dear friend and great loss for everybody in libya, chris stevens, was the end tale of something going on for the last two or three weeks. it was not a surprise these groups have been destroying schools, attacking tombs or things buried 600 years ago with impunity and you have the interior minister coming out on television saying i don't have
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forces to stop them and the prime minister saying i have a force barger than me without naming it. you had a government that acknowledged publicly it is not in control of the situation so there is no surprise for these groups have been emboldened. added to this -- sorry i am taking long but i want your reaction to what i am saying. added to this is the transitional council and executive office decided not to do. i don't blame them for what they have done, but i blame them for what they have not done. when there was an international will and internal domestic opinion that would have supported some sort of a u.n. security force in the beginning of the transition under libyan
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of 40. libya was in a unique position to negotiate an interesting security framework. they did not make any decisions and when you don't make a decision you have made a decision and what we are seeing today is a consequence of all of that. they also have done something relating to the national reconciliation which i support. they began to blame different groups within libya whether the former regime and all kinds of lists or by dividing people between east and west for the way they decided to structure the pnc and so on and created an environment or psychological background that is geared toward how do we divide and define ourselves against others and we end up today. it is not only an issue of
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former regime members. today you have those who pretend to be supporters of the revolution against those who feel they have carried it out and those in government who were bureaucrats in the old system and those coming in from the outside. you have different count against each other and the east against west. and so on and so forth and once you start that ball rolling it is not going anywhere but more and more division. you can add the libyan oil dimension where everybody is fighting to get a piece of that and you have a combustible situation. my question for a cup is when it comes -- everybody knowing exactly what needs to be done. the problem is how to do it and when you don't have to choose to do it i am not convinced that much can be done so this is the question.
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can it be done only by libyan capacity? if not then how do you bring in an acceptable international tool -- relying on experience from one government. but certainly supplement its capacity using international organization that it has been a member of since the 1950s and that would be a better way of dealing with it. i am afraid we are at the tail end of what libya can or will accept. at one point that choice will be gone from libya and if things disintegrate nobody can blame the united states or france or italy or egypt of sending troops because they would not allow the
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situation to continue endlessly. >> i was beginning to be surprised what is in a brief and the most contentious issue that is a factor picking up brutally and they are not going to make a deal on itself by themselves and supposed to not raise more issue and more debate because difficult point. a very good point. we should not be ashamed of asking for help when help is needed because of the security force you count on by acknowledging this moment. >> you mentioned the gallup poll that came out a few weeks ago on libya. un wanted to expand done that
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and ask the question. libyans are the most favorable to the united states of any country in the middle east or africa and more favorable to the u.s. than canadians. 50% say they have confidence in the leadership of the united states. this is unprecedented for a middle eastern country. 95% of libyans -- there's a demand for addressing this issue and opening a partnership with the united states. doesn't mean people want too much intervention policy but especially in libya among all other countries people are open to accepting help, especially technical assistance on the security issue. what i would be interested in as we talk about libyans not necessarily being able to do it
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by themselves, what specifically could the u.s. do to support the effort of securing libyan domestic situation? >> 01 point against the issue should be -- now we are seeing a problem that it is important for the militia of the government would not have tools -- the consulate in benghazi -- a contradiction is growing that the security force -- what do you begin with? how are you sure your security forces in the government so that
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you can begin the democratization -- it is a very difficult point. that is why i insist we need to support and not get back to the questions that are -- >> my name is steve deja dan with cantor fitzgerald. two days ago we memorialized the loss of our 658 employees 11 years ago. i would like to circle back to the response to the loss of ambassador stevens. someone mentioned it is very easy to be reactionary or overreactionary. we need as a nation to be clear
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and absolute to communicate that this type of activity is unacceptable. it goes beyond libya. it goes to our security as a nation and what i would like to hear from each of you participating and thank you, if you could, provide your thoughts on the range of possible responses that we have as a nation. educate me to what you think we can do. all the while respecting what we would all like to see achieved in libya which is the establishment of a free and productive democracy. thank you. >> want to
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>> [talking over each other] >> you go first. >> going to the question, specifically the issue of -- there are two components that need to happen. one is a comprehensive effective plan for security and not just generic meaning you got to get the partners in libya concerned with security and the defense industry and joint chiefs of staff and a couple other agencies and they have a security council of sorts that uni effective discussions building on the tool veiny. a . any intervention from a country -- will have its the
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implications. there is the dynamic of having an effective force in libya does not really a very strong security force, there is some success. we can't just the negative. in order to carry on what you want which is security from d. a. zero practically when developing the others. in addition to border security and other issues with partners that are particular other than the u.s.. that is the other question which instead of labeling this as a reaction if you overanalyze the situation to a problem is not
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reactionary. it is active -- to murder and in fact and do this, security of the country itself. the process of furthering intelligence and identifying what the problem is and identify what the solution is is not a difficult problem. what it is time for is an effective u.s./would be a partnership that is not hush hush but effective partnership to carry on a mission to rid the country of terrorists. you may have to make sure you know what the details are. you can't do it based on early enough but it needs to be made public and need to have strong
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leadership in libya -- same thing happened with the shrine. the head of the national congress was very clear. came out very strong and was adamant about this. even scholars have said there were some factors within libya and security forces who were not able to take the strong force so there is a way to take clear and strong policy to affect the issue. >> i would go even further. no government can take an initiative if it is afraid of its own security. you cannot be the prime minister knowing people can get into your office. police with the united nations and nato -- the same groups or
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the same countries -- to succeed -- their own police force to support the regime in training and securing. something they cannot do otherwise. the family -- the government security -- freedom guarantee security of the government and we are talking about nothing. that is the provocation. do we need to deposit to the government? the new government. a group to have the courage to do what they said the staffs -- at the beginning. we are working fine and have to support us. whether we like it or not --
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there is no shame accepting help whatsoever. it would not be offered and the security is guaranteed and the rest can happen. then you can have the procedure of institutional as asian -- can come up and -- they don't know -- you see it is worsening to be careful because if they get mad i am the next one. at this level things have to be addressed. talking about -- >> adding to what has been said specifically the united states can press for within a defined ways participate in the
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establishment of an international police force. we often underplay the role of police as opposed to a military force. what is needed here is internal security police force. under you and -- i worry about the un but i don't think russia and china are likely to veto this kind of thing. if not to build on what nato has done as karim suggested. second of all pressing for the creation of a reconciliation commission that includes major figures outside of libya. it has been shown to be important that getting a religious sanction approval authority behind an effort of
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this kind is extremely important. you can speak with authority what the religion says and that would be extremely helpful in bringing people together. in separating the fish for the sharks as you will from the water and that is an important part that we brought out called negotiating with terrorists or engaging extremists. those are two things that the imf has mentioned as well that is working through an international institution to supply support, welker development programs for the next elections that are going to come up and the government has a record.
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[inaudible] >> i just want to support what dr. suleiman said. these extreme groups are trying to reduce the versus -- diversity in sunni islam and different perspectives and extremists version so everybody across the region has a serious state in articulating the response intellectual and religious response to these kinds of extremistss. that would be the most effective one -- most effective way to deal with it. >> a pleasure having the ambassador -- do you have a
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comment? >> thank you very much, karim. the foundation -- i have a few comments to make regarding the death of ambassador stevens and three american officials in libya. americans in benghazi. i can then -- extend our condolences for what happened. very sad incident. a terrorist attack happened, and lived in -- the shame is -- what makes it difficult for me for the last six years, very good friend who comes to the house and we go places to gather and i remember when he came back from
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libya, we were going to play a game and he would be the next ambassador to libya. i don't know. maybe. you are the man. you are the right man in the right place at the right time. he loved libya. he loved days and nights. how this incident happened -- to protect the foreign diplomats and foreign missions which we are obliged to protect. i believe that one main reason behind that, we have no
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organization sledge to take care of security. we have forces and we will not do anything and this is my message and my concern with the prime minister. they came here. i told them this -- we have no means and ways to protect our people and our guests we will not be able to establish a democratic country.
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a very personal friend. libya officials -- faced with condemning this criminal attack. this is in the right section but it is not enough. we have to do everything possible to present them. this is how americans are going to react. it is a very dangerous time now. very delicate time. we have to be very wise and see how we are going to handle this. we want more confrontation -- the americans have to realize the situation is fragile in libya. many muslim and arab countries keep it moving which people who are behind it as tourists because they are responsive will for the deaths of innocent
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americans. and the attack against the muslim religion, that paved the way for more unfortunate terrorist action. if this is the right response to this stupid movie i would say no. there is a civilized way to express your view. unfortunately who is behind it? the extremist? al qaeda? the deputy association? all of the three together? who is really behind this terrorist act? of course we have evidence in the media. they have money. they move freely in

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